Spy Hop mentors Connor Estes, Anthony Rodriguez, and Adam Sherlock conducted fly-on-the-wall podcast conversations with youth from several programs. These included middle school participants who were just starting to use social media interfaces like Roblox, as well as older sophisticated internet users from Spy Hop's Youth Action Council, and incarcerated youth in a corrections facility in Salt Lake whose experiences with social media apps and drug dealing led to many of their arrests. They are vastly different conversations while simultaneously showing echoes of the same devices, technologies, and need for connection.

• Youth participants really responded to the podcasting setup. They took more time to answer questions and were very insightful in their answers.
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• We were really surprised at how many of our incarcerated youth participants were locked up due to charges that directly stemmed from online behavior e.g., selling drugs through Snapchat or having videos of gang related crimes posted to social media.
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• The spectrum of experience even in a single group of youth is really eye opening. Some youth are exploring their own gender identities through groups on TikTok and Instagram, while another youth sitting right next to them has parental controls on their phone so they can't even get onto Roblox.
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• As the utilization of online spaces has become more common and more accessible, the way in which we talk about online spaces has needed to change. Young people don't see that 'space' as being separate from 'in real life' experiences.
  
  
• Oftentimes youth are not honest about what their online behavior is actually like when there is an adult in the room. It takes MUCH longer for them to open up and be authentic. ‍
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• We, as teaching artists and educators, needed to take over more of the logistical collection of information and synthesis of youth-led work.